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King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.14 01:39:00 - [1] 60k lp per hour?! With the perfect set of missions and perfect social skills, maybe. What it looks to me is you ran a bunch of the best missions, and took what you made and divided by the fraction of an hour it took to run them then added them all up. It does no good to say mission x gets me 10 mil in 6 minutes so therefore I must make 100mil an hour when at the end of your 5 hour day you only have 200mil to show for it. It is not about how much isk per hour you make, it is about how much isk you made after x number of hours. there is a huge difference. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.14 12:59:00 - [2] So I will ask the all important question, none of your spreadsheets or gloating matters only this one question, and you can prove it with your wallet screenshot. At the end of a day of missioning, how many hours did you spend online, and how much isk did you make? That's it, show me the screeny of your wallet set to 0 at login, and wallet with journal at end of the day. Then tell me your hours spent (matching the journal of course) and then divide total isk by time spent. I have 100mil isk that says you don't break 60mil an hour using the above method. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.15 02:12:00 - [3] You are indeed an insane mission runner. However I want you to stop calling things eIsk and eLP... you either make the isk or you don't. You have no factored time or cost in converting LP into items, building said items or selling/hauling said items. All in all though, I would say you have proven that you may very well be the top performer in mission running, but I still do not buy 100mil isk per hour as your title claims. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.15 13:42:00 - [4] Edited by: King Aires on 15/08/2010 13:42:35 Originally by: Frozean Edited by: Frozean on 15/08/2010 13:31:52 I just buy using remote trading skills in Jita or Rens. Then after i have around 500m-1b worth of tags, ill use courrier contracts to bring the items to me. You also use courrier contracts to bring the LP store items to the market hubs, and use remote contracting / remote daytrading to sell your items while still missioning. How much are those courier contracts costing you, are they included in your eLP-Isk and how many times have people opened them, seen what they are and stole your bil worth of tags? The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:36:00 - [5] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Ydra Ko'Zyn So RF is a player run service? If so how can this service be used in the calculation? Red Frog is a player corporation that does transport jobs. You pay their fee and they move your goods for you. Go back and (re?)-read Frozean's posts where he accounts for their fee. While I applaud the OP for using this service to further his goals, I have to agree that by using another player to haul things for him he is no longer making said isk SOLO. It may not be the technical definition of dual-boxing but it is clearly not a solo activity if he is using other players for hauling is most lucrative source of income. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.16 22:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: King Aires Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Ydra Ko'Zyn So RF is a player run service? If so how can this service be used in the calculation? Red Frog is a player corporation that does transport jobs. You pay their fee and they move your goods for you. Go back and (re?)-read Frozean's posts where he accounts for their fee. While I applaud the OP for using this service to further his goals, I have to agree that by using another player to haul things for him he is no longer making said isk SOLO. It may not be the technical definition of dual-boxing but it is clearly not a solo activity if he is using other players for hauling is most lucrative source of income. I have seen some absolutely moronic statements in my years playing video games. But brother, you should win a prize for this one. By your logic, just selling crap on the market means you're no longer making isk solo. Also... using two accounts is still solo farming, as the isk is not being distributed to two people. And "dual boxing" is a misnomer, since its quite easy to run +3 clients on a single box. No, hauling goods to market and hauling goods needed to turn LP into isk is a large time sink that should be included in any mission-isk equation. He bypasses this by hiring outside help. He is no longer working alone to gather his isk, has nothing to do with who he sells it to it has to do with how he gets his stuff to sell. And no, you using two accounts to farm is not Solo farming no matter how many clients you run on one box lol The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.17 00:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 16/08/2010 23:34:06 Originally by: King Aires No, hauling goods to market and hauling goods needed to turn LP into isk is a large time sink that should be included in any mission-isk equation. He bypasses this by hiring outside help. He is no longer working alone to gather his isk, has nothing to do with who he sells it to it has to do with how he gets his stuff to sell. ISK/Hr = Your ISK / Your Time. He isn't hauling the ***, therefore it would be wrong* of him to include that time. Sorry that you feel he "cheated". -Liang lol, I don't want him to include the time you dumbass, I want him to admit he isn't making that isk solo. If he actually hauled the crap himself his isk/hr would drop significantly. I think he is doing it right, except for the part where he claims he makes the isk solo. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.17 02:03:00 - [8] Edited by: King Aires on 17/08/2010 02:04:08 Originally by: Builder Robert Originally by: King Aires lol, I don't want him to include the time you dumbass, I want him to admit he isn't making that isk solo. If he actually hauled the crap himself his isk/hr would drop significantly. I think he is doing it right, except for the part where he claims he makes the isk solo. Why do something that decreases your earning power, increases effort/time invested and provides nothing when you can use in game features that ANYONE else can utilise to do it for you? Because you can't think for yourself and only earn 7m/hour I expect. I doubted Frozean at first because he made stupid jokes in local and was ever so full of himself, I'll have to read the spreadsheet myself now then possibly reconsider my position :) I have a question if you don't mind. Have you tried out Cargo Delivery and Recon 1-2/3 in a shuttle? Damn easy and very quick. Double Facepalm time... I hate these alts who can't comprehend what I am saying because they think there is either a black and a white response. I just said I think his idea to use the cargo hauling people is great. I just said if he did not he would lose isk. I just applauded him for doing that instead of hauling for himself. All I am saying is, it is no longer a single player activity when you involve other players in your adventure. Having corp mates, hauling services or a macro haul your stuff for you negates your ability to claim solo isk. Yes he makes a lot of isk, with the help of another corporation. No he does not earn all that isk alone. Hell he isn't even using an alt to haul, he is actually using a physically separate human entity. Seriously you lot cannot be this dumb EDIT: Oh and little alt, take a look at my standings before you start asking if I know how to run missions. You see that, yeah, it's before my social skills and I bet you cant even count that high. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.17 11:06:00 - [9] It has got nothing to do with what you buy off the market whether you are solo or not. It is the activity that makes you earn isk solo. People are expected to buy things from the market and still consider their isk making activity solo. The activity of hauling needs to be done by the player in order for him to include the benefits of it as solo isk. Using your guys theory my solo miner in high sec makes 30mil an hour. Do not bother worrying about the full boosted orca or the hauler alt I have, the miner himself is making 30mil an hour. That would plain out be a wrong statement. The correct statement is "I make X isk with a little help from some friends" The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
King Aires Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.09.18 14:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Moose Burger Btw. i have a question. I have a some 20-30b iskies to buy a toon. And this toon myself, a macha/nightmare pilot with (iv/v gunnery, large proj+large lasers, all racial BS,level IV socials) Think i should bio mass this toon for a super capital toon? discuss. I kinda biomassed frozean for a pvp toon. Now its this toon's turn to be the lowest SP toon in mah account. So i wonder if i should get rid of it or not. So I am just running some numbers here, stop me when it sounds like your selling time cards like a used car salesman sells junkers. 20-30b iskies eh... that's a big spread, what is it, 20 or 30? So you have at least 30bil, that would take you, using your crazy ass numbers 300 hours of missioning. 30bil now, plus you have bought 3 toons, biomassed at least one. So you have 30bil plus the 10bil you spent on toons. You do not sell your toons, you biomass them, giving you no offset income. You made this thread 5 weeks ago. Your account is less than a year old. Ready, set, math: 168 hours in a week 161 hours of maximum eve up-time 112 hours of usuable time each week for an average human 40bil / 100mil (lol) = 400 hours of missions at no bathroom breaks, no food breaks, no shower breaks You bought another PVE toon and a PVP toon the second and third week of August. You had little to no isk left after those purchases. You telling us you made an additional 30bil isk, in 4-5 weeks, meaning you play an average of 60 hours a week of missions + you never loose anything to pvp or you never buy anything to upgrade your mission ship? I think you like the thought of yourself way too much. You are a legend in your own mind. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.

King Aires Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.09.20 12:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Moose Burger Quote: You telling us you made an additional 30bil isk, in 4-5 weeks, meaning you play an average of 60 hours a week of missions + you never loose anything to pvp or you never buy anything to upgrade your mission ship? your biggest mistake is that you assume i use all my money to buy my toons. No. Except my first purchase , i bought my toons after having at least 3-10b buffer for losing ships. Currently i have 3 sets of faction/ds fitted golem/tengu, 2 sets of machariels and nightmares (darn mili being a highsec island), almost a hundred stocked bc's and cruisers each, some dozen of munins and vagabonds. So i think i have a decent buffer to spend up to all my current isk. So yeah. Ill splurge cuz it might be the final toon i buy. Its impossible to buy plex here. its almost RM100++ which is insanely expensive. Dude look, you didn't have no 10b before you started buying accounts because your original account is not that old. You would not have had the skills to run level 4's at any kind of efficiency. When you bought your first toon you were floating around 4mil sp. There is a google cache of your characters and all your character purchases that were linked a couple pages ago. It is impossible for a 6 month old or less character to make 10b in this game unless it was given to you, or you struck it rich in the scam of the century. You are a liar and a troll. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.

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